Er zijn momenteel 13472 spelers online!
Mens tegen machine - succes!
Correspondentieschaak op elk moment!
Stem op de beste zet om te winnen!
Hoe goed ben jij?
Backgammon, Yatzy, en nog veel meer!
Verfijn je tactisch inzicht!
Krijg advies en spelinzicht!
Leer van topschakers en profs!
Bekijk miljoenen meesterpartijen!
Je virtuele schaakcoach!
Perfectioneer je openingszetten!
Test je vaardigheden tegen de computer!
Vind de juiste privécoach!
Kun jij hem elke dag oplossen?
Breng alles samen!
Beginners, start hier!
Maak vrienden en speel teamwedstrijden!
Nieuws uit de schaakwereld!
Zoeken in alle leden van Chess.com
Vind lokale clubs & evenementen!
Wie van je vrienden is de beste?
Lees wat leden zeggen!
Gary Kasparov was much more consitent and achived a rating peek of 2851. While as Bobby Fischer was the youngest GM but wasnt world champion for a long time and once he was world chess champion he left and no one hear of him after wards. So i would like to know why everyone considers Bobby Fischer better then Gary Kasparov.
I will tell you about the genius of Bobby Fischer. He was 9 years old when he had scored an IQ test score of 180 in school. That's higher than Einstein's. By 10, he had read all the chess books printed in the English language. So he learnt many other foreign languages along with Russian and read up all the great chess literature ever written by the Russians and others. Now for a kid of 13, that's a remarkable feat. At that time, computer chess programs didn't exist. Considered to be the greatest genius and improviser of the Ruy Lopez opening. Played The Game of Century. Beat Borris Spassky twice! Only player to have scored a perfect score of 11-0 twice in world championship till date. Besides, Bobby was not only a great opener but also a great finisher. And his innovations in the middle game are the stuff of legend. So show some respect! He is the Maradona of Chess! A prodigy! The Genius! O Geneo!
Because he was.
Interesting theory but that not why bobby fischer left chess. The reason he left chess is because his an arrogant man that if he doesnt get his way he leaves and that exactly wat happened. He ask for so many thing and they gave them all but one. He had ask that the world chess champion to lose his title would have to be beaten by more then 1 point ( 2 -3 ... etc points) and went he didnt get his way he left. That wat happen when you alway get your way you cant exacpt making compromises.
The fact is this...Bobby Fischer ran away. He say the brilliant young star Karpov coming and he got cold feet. He just won the title and then he realized that he would have to live up to the expectations of America and the world. And you know what the pansy choked and in doing so he robbed the world of truly world class chess. Can you imagine the struggles of a Kapov vs Fischer or a Kasparov vs. Fischer...all chess fans lost out because of one man's supreme arrogance. He was a big baby who thought that the world owed him something. Point of fact is that even after he gave up his title he still wanted to be considered world champion twenty years later when he faced Spasky and then the little punk disappeared again and still wanted everyone to regard him as world champion.
And correct me if I am wrong here but Kasparov also played in an era before widespread computer use elevated the game play of GM's and he was still crushing virtually everyone in his path. Having said that if he had played Fischer and even if he lost the first series of games, like he did against Karpov, then it is safe to assume that he would elevate his game in order to defeat his foe, like he did against Karpov. I think that the probability is that Fischer would win more games at first but eventually Kasparov would surpass him. The odds were on Kasparov's side.
Their both better than all of us. I do think that if you take away all the technology that was available to Kasporov, Fischer would win easily. Fischer quite at a young age, I dont think anyone seen his prime.
My mistake guys i said that Nunn was bobby's coach and i stand corrected by others his coach was John Collins and my appologies for leading anyone astray but insert that name into the post and you have my comment
Both are great!
Kasparov WAS great,but as long Fischer was playing he was an also ran.Bobby Fischer was,quite simply, the best player that ever lived.He quit as a champion relatively young,however he became a champion very young.
Quite simply, Bobby was a genious. Not that Kasparov is'nt, but have you ever seen a game that Bobby Fischer played? He would tear everyone apart.
Great comment man you should copy and paste that and make an article.
Fischer is considered the best by many for several reasons.
"By the age of 14, Bobby Fischer won the US Championship, becoming the youngest player ever to win that title. In 1958, at the age of 15, he became the youngest international grandmaster in history. He won the US Championship eight times in eight attempts, including, at the age of 20, setting a record with a perfect 11-0 score. In 1971 he set another record, when he won the quarter-final and semi-final matches for the world championship by identical scores of 6-0. Then, when he won against Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian in the first game of the final candidate match, he had thus set a record of 20 consecutive wins (without draws) at the highest level of competition. By 1972 he achieved a FIDE rating of 2785, making him, at that time, the highest rated player in history." -- Chessgames.com
The 6-0 scores were against Bent Larsen who at the time was regarded as the strongest GM in the West and then Mark Taimanov who was among the top five ranked GMs in the world.
Fischer played some of the best ever to play the game, many of whom were former or current World Champions, and won (e.g. Tal, Smyslov, Petrosian, Botvinnik, Stein, Spassky). There is also evidence that in tournaments with Fischer, Soviet players often played to simple draws while in contrast they often forced Fischer to play exhausting 40+ move games.
There is little doubt that had Fischer continued playing, he would have been the first 2800+ rated GM. Many believe he could have acheived even a 2900+ ranking as well.
That said, Fischer's professional chess career spanned 19 years compared to 35 years for Kasparov, and Kasparov was World Champion for 15 years (and by many, the uncrowned king for many years thereafter). Kasparov was really the first top GM to use computer database analysis to elevate his game. He was 8 years old when Fischer, at the age of 28, became World Champion in 1972.
"If one may judge a player's strength by comparing him with his contemporaries, it seems to me that Fischer's achievement is unsurpassed. The gap between him and his closest rivals was the widest there ever was between a World Champion and the other top-ranking players of his time. He was some 10-15 years ahead of his time in his preparation and understanding. This could be attributed in part to his dedication to the game, which was unequaled by any other player before or since." -- Garry Kasparov
"It’s impossible to compare two players from different epochs. It’s extremely unfair because we know more now and also because my opponents are stronger than those Fischer had to face. I am not trying to underestimate Fischer’s achievements! The only real point of comparison between the two of us is the size of the gaps between ourselves and our respective opponents. I think that the gap between Fischer and his opponents is still the widest in chess history. The only possible way to compare Fischer, Botvinnik, Morphy, Steinitz and Kasparov is to place them in the context of their eras and to measure the distance between themselves and their opponents. Fischer’s distance was vast!" -- Garry Kasparov
Both, along with a few others, are considered arguably the greatest to play the game.
Many people on this site are Americans, and thus they have a preference to Fischer; even if they say they pick him without bias. Kasparov achieved the highest rating in history, and played very well even after his peak. He smashed everyone he came up against and beat 30-year old GMs in twenty moves! These guys had never, ever lost to anybody else that fast!
Add to this the gems that are Garry's games, and there's no question as to who's better.
Yeah i get it but altought fischer game were beautiful in the time, now whit all the computer program it much hard to play wild cause if you watch how rybak plays he plays a soild position and just gains advantage slowly by slowly and never lets go ( and it been proven that if you try to take risk agaisnt that then you end up destroying your position). That why i think that kasparov plays that way. It pretty much the new style but still the fact that whitout all the computer program and whit having only book to work whit Bobby fischer went a long way :D. ( agaisnt people who played at school and were actuly formed into chess).
And in response because he's an american he is the best what about Kamsky who just got knocked out. Is he better than Fischer. WE DON'T KNOW. The only two players that have played extensively against Fischer are Spassky and John Nunn, Fischer's coach.
capturear I dont know how old you are but in High School these days I wish the government would make us play chess becuase I think that it would make all the complete morons that we have for countrymen wise up. Another thing is to think about what we have our kids and ourselves involved in today and whether or not chess would be a better activity.
I have read the book and agree what he did was great but also you need to look at chess as a big picture not our little chess country.
Bobby fischer was and still is considered beter for many reasons, the main one being that the russians were forced to play chess. In school it was a mandatory class, and the players that showed promise kept going and the others were taken out. Second is that he is still the only american to hold the title. He is highly regarded for his innovations in the chess opening and for his new lines in the sicilian and the kings gambit accepted. That is why fischer will always be better than kasparov.
Hey thank man and i just found out who Mikhail Tal was cauce of you :D. Well i guess your right all fan are diffrent it just that i hear alot of people say that Bobby was the greatest and i trying to find out wat made him so great ( cause he left the sport very earlie ).
As you can see by my name I am from america. However I dont believe that Bobby Fischer was the greatest but that he was the greatest of his time and that Americans hold him up as the symbol of us. I however think think that there can be no champion better than the one before because they are at the same level, they are the world champion and that guy before them got beat. My style of play mirrors Fischer with alarming similarity. However I believe that in the way of contributions given to chess its not Fischer or Kasporov who would get the trophy from me. I would give it to Misha Tal. This man died young but gave not only a major contribution by winning the title but also by helping Karpov win by serving on his team and helping him with analysis and opening prep.
Frankly it doesn't matter what everyone thinks its what's in your heart and who you hold as your idol. For me its Tal and Fischer. For you it could be Kasparov and Euwe. It doesn't matter to the chess community just to the historians who are being paid to give an opinion and you are able to disagree.
Good luck to all who read this and have fun playing chess.
door IM DanielRensch
2 uur geleden
door IM Silman
25 uur geleden
38 uur geleden
3 dagen geleden
Waarom lid worden | Schaakonderwerpen |
Veel gestelde vragen |
Hulp en ondersteuning |
Juridische informatie |
© 2016 Chess.com
• Schaken - Nederlands
We are working hard to make Chess.com available in over 70 languages. Check back over the year as we develop the technology to add more, and we will try our best to notify you when your language is ready for translating!