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I was looking into getting Chessmaster 10 a while back but found Fritz Chess at a local store for fairly cheap, so I went ahead and bought it. But it seems to be fairly confusing, I can't seem to be able to get it into two player mode (if there is one), can't seem to be able to enter algebraic notation and have the program play out the game for analysis, etc. I was able to do all this with the old Chessmaster 3000 which I played on an older computer, but it won't run on my new laptop running Windows 7. I miss being able to set up the players and play tournament mode, let alone being able to enter PGN's. Or, I might be able to do that with the Fritz program but can't seem to figure out how to.
So I've been looking again at getting Chessmaster 10, and from what some reviews said Chessmaster 9 was good. I've found both at good prices on Amazon.com, so I wondered if anyone here was using these programs, and what's good and bad about them?
I own the latest Chessmaster, Deep Fritz and Deep Rybka. As an advanced beginner myself, I enjoy sparring against the various computer personalities in Chessmaster much more than playing against the handicapped settings in Fritz/Rybka. Also, the Chessmaster academy has some great stuff to help your chess education. So I heartily recommend Chessmaster if that sounds good to you.
When it comes to analyzing my own games, or grandmaster games, then I always use Fritz/Rybka. There is no comparision between what they can do as an analysis tool and what Chessmaster can do in that regard.
The program I have is Fritz Grandmaster Challenge 3. It's an OK chess game, but not real good for game analysis or training. And I don't think it has a two player mode, nor can I figure out how to enter PGN's. I think I'll look closely at getting Chessmaster 10.
I've found Chessmaster 10th edition on Amazon for $6.25 for the jewel case version, so I figure I can't go wrong with that.
Buy it if you haven't already.
I run 10th edition Chessmaster, and right now it's the only thing I need.
I'm not sure what version of Fritz you are talking about.
I have both Fritz 12 and Chessmaster Grandmaster Edition.
The real goldmine in Chessmaster is Josh Waitzkin's Academy. Larry Christiansen Attacking Chess and Chessmaster Series are also good. There are tons of extra goodies and the software is inexpensive.
Fritz 12 has many features, so it can be tricky to learn, but once you get the hang of it, the modes of play are endless. An awesome product.
I can load pgn files into it and, much more.
For me, it's very interesting to play against Crafty...it doesn't normally repeat moves in the same positions and you never know what to expect. Shredder allows to adjust strength very precisely (elo) and even 10 elo make difference...Also very much depends on opening book...you can force to play engine different openings, gambits and so on, which is fun...
This is what I have: http://www.amazon.com/Fritz-Chess-Grandmaster-Challenge-III/dp/B001KJAE1K
I'm not real thrilled with it, and it seems to be a bit buggy. I had to fiddle with it to get it to display the 3D boards, and only about 3 styles of board work in 3D mode. The other styles only work in 2D. As I stated above, there is no 2 player mode, so you always have to play the computer and you can't use it for simple game analysis. I can't see anywhere to enter PGN's of other games. I wish I'd have seen the reviews for this product before I bought it, but just happened to find it at a Target for about $9, so thought I'd try it. You can play a decent game of chess on it, but the feel of the whole program seems that it was released before it was completely debugged. I really wouldn't recommend it.
I did order Chessmaster 10 today, so can't wait to get it and play it. I'll probably still keep Fritz on my computer but probably won't play it much.
Hey N2U - I have both Chessmaster 10 and Fritz 12 on my computer. My CM 10 personality hits 2960 Elo while F-12 is over 3000. I mainly play on Fritz but I do study on both programs, but mainly CM gets a back seat. I do use it though for my Chessmaster league that I created last year. It's a great program, both are. You will find that whatever gaps each of them has (not many) are filled by the other program.
I was using Chessmaster 10 for years until August when I was reading and hearing about it on here, but I bought it (actually, my girlfriend and I went 50/50 on it - she has Chessmaster: Grandmaster Edition, just an updated version of 10 for Win 7/Vista)
Have fun with it and enjoy!
I probably should have checked this out beforehand, but will Chessmaster 10 work in Windows 7? If not I'll get the Grandmaster edition. I have seen where some have gotten CM 10 to run under Vista but haven't seen anything about Win7. They're pretty similar so I'm hoping so. It's kind of a crap shoot sometimes, because I can get some software that I was running even under Win Me to run under Win 7, but other programs won't. I think the very old version of Chessmaster I have was developed for Windows 3.1 and runs on my old computer using Me, but not under 7 which won't run any 16-bit software.
N2U - It didn't do so well on my girlfriend's PC, so get the Grandmaster Edition. It's updated with a better Academy but it will work on 7, CM 10 I don't think will. To be safe, get the GM Edition
Just for the heck of it I went to vetusware.com (an abandonware site) and downloaded Battle Chess for DOS. My brother had that one for his Commodore 64 and was fun playing it. It seems to run OK under my DOS emulator but the sound isn't right and sometimes it hangs when moving the bishops. But what can you expect for free 22-year-old software?
Am I the only one who finds the Chessmaster interface to be both cubersome and a bit of a resource hog? Tons of graphics and nonsense I don't need and a sub-par analysis mode. The only plus, as far as I'm concerned, is the pretty good handicap levels (or "personalities") for those who want that, and of course the chess lessons that are included courtesy of Waitzkin. However, I think better instruction is available and I prefer playing against real people - so Chessmaster didn't survive long on my hard drive.
I wastly prefer the chessbase interface, which provides everything I need for looking up databases and analysing my own games, and runs smoothly alongside everything else, especially if you restrict resources a bit on the engine (lower priority or # of cores).
I canceled my Chessmaster 10 order and now downloading Grandmaster edition. Can't wait to play it.
It is nice to see people appreciating both Fritz and Chessmaster. The Chessmaster series is better suited for people who are beginning to intermediate players. I have both Chessmaster and Fritz on my computer and use both. The Chessmaster tutorials are excellent and will provide beginners with valuable instruction. Fritz works well for more experienced players. What's nice about Fritz is the fact that you can watch instructional videos (from chessbase). However, it is not as easy to use as Chessmaster. Having both will give you plenty to do and plenty to study.
I plan to keep using both and playing both programs to learn and increase my ability.
For the beginners to learn the basics, Chessmaster is the best :D
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